1.24.2012

W.O.D. 1.25.12

complete for time:

100 Double Unders

then:
5 Rounds
7 Push Jerks (95/135#)
12 Toes through rings

Quote:
"No bird soars too high, if he soars on his own wings."
- William Blake

Results:

Gina - 18:09 - SU/55#/ROM
Paul - 13:23 - DU Att/105#/ROM
Drew - 21:10 - DU att/115#/ROM
Rachel - 20:22 - 68#/ROM
Joy - 17:48 - 45#/ROM
Mike S - 22:05 - SU/75#
Tidmore - 15:49 - SU/105#
Elyse - 13:54 - SU/75#
Alexis - 17:02 - SU/45#
Oleg - 12:32 - SU/115#
Nina - 15:21 RX
Kristin T - 12:22 RX
Rebecca S - 18:11 75#/ROM
Roni - 16:00 60#/ROM
Mark C 13:35 95/row
Stasie 13:04 su 53
Kate K 14:58 75
Sam B 7:44 rx
Charles 13:38 83
JNa 17:02 65,DUAttempts
nick 18:38 95
Shoeless 18:55 115
Borden 18:18 115 attempts
Conn 17:30 115, 6 rounds oopsie
Cline 21:51 45, rack
John C 12:47 rx
Jenn Sch 13:33 35
P 9:08 Rx
Lam 16:47 105#
Rob Ph 11:04 su/135#/ROM
Jen S. 13:15 Rx
Kathleen 18:28 65#/ROM
King 13:58 105#/att
Jeff Hi 13:53 115#
Becca 20:28 55#
Rachael 18:00 55#
Jackie 8:50 row/45#/kb swings
Matt G. 20:30 su/95#/75% toes
Mike C 10:33 Rx
Megs 14:39 90#
TP 10:19 Rx
LP 11:38 Rx
Ben 21:50 95#
Joe P 19:11 dua/95#
Tim H 16:55 95#
Sandy 15:58 su/55#
Flounder 20:40 dua/95#/rom
Ernie 13:59 115#
Tissues 17:52 Rx
Kate C. 17:57 Rx "double unders suck"
Jamie 21:00 dua/45#/rom
Akeem 18:34 95#
Patrick 13:10 su/115#
Travis 14:34 115#/scale
Justin K. 15:06 115#
Denise 18:41 75#/rom
Shawn 12:54 115#
Keith 11:25 rx
Kevin 13:41 rx
Meg B 13:25 (65)
Sarah W 19:17 (150su, 35, rom)
Mike W 20:17 (DUA, 95, rom)
Schell 17:16 (300 su, 95)
Sharon 16:48 (ghd)
Barb 14:33 (50 du, 40, rom)
Andrea 16:23 (dua, 45 rom)
Susan 12:58 (75)
Tim M 12:38 (dua)
Cate 9:53 rx

44 comments:

Vinny said...

6:00am Results

Gina - 18:09 - SU/55#/ROM
Paul - 13:23 - DU Att/105#/ROM
Drew - 21:10 - DU att/115#/ROM
Rachel - 20:22 - 68#/ROM
Joy - 17:48 - 45#/ROM
Mike S - 22:05 - SU/75#
Tidmore - 15:49 - SU/105#
Elyse - 13:54 - SU/75#
Alexis - 17:02 - SU/45#
Oleg - 12:32 - SU/115#
Nina - 15:21 RX
Kristin T - 12:22 RX
Rebecca S - 18:11 75#/ROM
Roni - 16:00 60#/ROM

Great effort this morning everyone...Progress on the toes through rings has been incredible. Remember think of it as an opening and closing of the hip and not a raising of the legs. Oleg, I challenge you to get double unders the next time you see it in a WOD, singles are not challenging for you bro....

Dorothy said...

Olan,
I'm counting yesterday as a win for me. I beat your time at the rx weight even though you scaled.
That's 3 and it's still January.

Megs said...

I found this article via Crossfit Center City. It created quite a buzz on their facebook page, rightfully so.

http://www.trifuel.com/training/triathlon-training/crossfit-is-it-a-safe-program

Aimee Lyons said...

The cow (from Philly CowShare) has arrived...and is available at the box for pick up.

Jon Schell said...

I thought the opening segment was kind of funny. "CF rocks!" and then post-injury "CF sux!"

The only injury I have to-date is this nagging rotator cuff strain. Guess what lift caused it? Bench press - a standard, universal lift that most guys start around 12 years old. Guess why it happened? I let my form suffer while trying to maxout one day. Who's fault? Mine.

I think the most disturbing aspect of that article is the underlaying topic: lack of accountability and responsibility for ones own actions.

donkey said...

Interesting article. I found this statement particularly fascinating: "Crossfit is definitely not for a serious athlete, someone with a current injury, and anyone over 35 years old."

"Definitely not"!!! Well allow me to retort.

The point about "serious athlete" is completely subjective because he never (in this post anyway) defines his terms for "serious athlete". If you want to measure someone's ability to improve their fitness across 10 separate attributes, and measure increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains, which is how CrossFit defines "fitness" and by extension, athletes, then I challenge any other fitness regimen to produce and freely share as much data as we have collected over the years across the CrossFit community--much less beat or even match the results we get.

Yes, you can do CrossFit with a current injury--if you want to, but you may not be able to do every WOD to Rx until you're healed. You can scale, you can substitute, you can work other weaknesses. Are there injuries that would completely prevent you from doing anything in CrossFit? Yes, but I'm having trouble coming up with one other than a broken back or a brain injury that would be comprehensively limiting to ALL activities--and that wouldn't be a special limitation to CrossFit. You can always still do SOMETHING--even if it's working your grip strength with the rice bucket. Up to you if you feel you're better off completely resting and letting your body heal, or working non injured areas in the interim.

You don't want to do kipping pullups because you have a shoulder problem, or fear a shoulder problem? OK, don't. There's no gun to your head and we do have athletes who only do strict pullups. You can't do squats because you have a knee thing happening? Fine. We'll find something you can do. You can't run that day because you biffed your ankle? Don't run. Row instead. Hop on one foot. Whatever. We will help you figure it out.

CrossFit is actually uniquely able to substitute other options when you're working injured--precisely because we do so many varied types of activities. We've had people recovering from all sorts of things and continuing to do CrossFit. If you're a runner and you break your ankle, enjoy sitting at the computer until you're rehabbed. That same athlete could do a ton of upper body work if s/he was a CrossFitter, and still see gains while the ankle heals.

And my favorite part: "Over 35". Can you hear my eyes rolling, where you're sitting, gang? There is no age limit on fitness. Since the author doesn't ever say WHY older athletes shouldn't bother to CrossFit, I can't dispute using facts, but I will say this: people wind up in nursing homes because of physical, not mental disability. The best way to ensure you maintain physical ability is to use, develop, and protect it. If you're a jackass and don't listen to your body, never stretch, don't eat properly, and don't rest/recover enough, then you're going to risk injury no matter who you are and how old you happen to be.

donkey said...

I had to cut my comment to publish it...i wrote a novel. The main thing in addition that I wanted to say was stated succinctly by Jon so read his point.

Megs said...

I was hoping this article would bring some good discussions!

I laughed at the over 35 comment too, I guess I'll be retiring shortly.

Also CF is more than the mainpage, its the affiliates. How many affiliates program per the mainpage?

Are all coaches with L1 ready to run/program a box, probably not. Thats why everyone tests out different boxes (if available) and sees the level of competency and style of programming.

Drew said...

In response to the over 35 remark, I present exhibit A:

Chris Spealler
Age:32
Crossfit Games 2011: 11th Place

Pretty sure he'll be crossfitting in three years.

http://games.crossfit.com/node/3033

steph said...

"Push-press is a great lift. I actually have it in my program for a softball team I am training. But it’s another abused exercise in the Crossfit world. There is no attention to the details of the lift. The goal for Crossfitters is to just lift the weight up over the head."


are you kidding me???! i'm new, i've gone through fundamentals & 3 WODs in the past 2 weeks, and even before coming to CrossFit i knew that it's ALL about form; and scaling is what helps accomplish this.

this dude is an utter jackass! donkey, i think you should email him your write-up. this dude should also see the video from the post on 1.17.12 ("anybody can do anything") ... argh!

Tim P said...

Good point Steph, thats why at any age CF works because the body movement is highly scalable, and that mobility and weight-bearing exercise has been proven in so many ways to improve over all health!
-Other than that tthis reminds me of the #1 thing I thing that it seems MOST people overlook is diet and nutrition and the impact it has on your performance and what you look like from day to day.

Tim P said...

Well this is a interesting one, and I guess it's my time to speak up because trifuel.com is a pretty popular west coast site. This is a hugely interesting write up and well thought out obviously. The main thing here is to know that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its always easy to go jumping at this guy, who has legit credentials so at least he's not another random poster just bashing a a fitness plan.
I have a plethora of thoughts on this article and why it was written but in the interest of my comprehension disaster-ness, i'll spare you the writeup and leave that to someone like Jason who can make paragraphs flow like coconut oil on a summer day.
I have been triathlon specifically training the past full year and about to start up another season of "triathlon specific" training. This means that each week and day that goes by for me my fitness concerns are for getting better in the 3 modalities of swimming biking and running. Although I have had solely a running background for 15 years, the past 3 years my focus has shifted to the sport of triathlon only. This has hugely taken my focus off of CF in general, and obviously I have seen strength losses but okay with it because of the endurance shift. One of the main reasons is because of the time it takes to train for 3 sports up in the 15-20 hours/week range.
The moral here is that I don't want to lose ALL of the fast twitch muscle as rapidly as most who switch into endurance training, so I continue to do short fast track intervals workouts and CF WODS with weight-bearing exercise to stay "tough" for everyday life and be able to have the "general preparedness" for that everyday life. When not doing CF and only doing long slow distance (LSD) last year, my enduring capacity improved, but I just felt weak from a strength component even lifting a couch. I really dont think you can have both- you either want to excel & specialize in one focus to do your very best potential in that- or you can take a hit in that sport specific and be leveled out in other areas.

Eg: A weightlifter who is trying to be the strongest he can be and PR a few lifts, can not also PR on his 5k, it's just not something that goes together; you know, like milk and pizza...

Mike P said...

"Crossfit is definitely not for a serious athlete, someone with a current injury, and anyone over 35 years old."

I call bull**it!

. . . . I'm 42 years old and in the best shape of my life . . . and I'm not even close to being "done" . . . .

. . . . more kool Aid, please.

Thanks CF and CF KoP

Drew said...

Mike, I should have listed you as my Exhibit A! Sorry for the oversight!

Oleg said...

Vinny - I accept the challenge :-) (for the record - I hate the DUs!! but I need to learn how to do them)

As of the retiring from training at the age of 35 - yeah, right, that's when I started regular training :-) I wish I would've found CrossFit at that time, I would've been a pro fighter by now.
Whatever your age, with the right attitude and right environment (that is - right people around you) you can do almost anything. "Things are impossible only until they are not"

Oleg said...

Yeah, I was waiting for Mike P to weigh in :-)(the ultimate example!)

Mike, again - if I don't see you before the weekend - good luck with that crazy 18-hour-long event in D.C.! Stay strong and return in one piece

Jen Naspinski said...

I lvoe that being over 35 is grouped with: which there can be with some populations like adults over 35 years old, poor moving athletes and young children.

I should just throw in the towel now ; )

shoeless said...

Crossfit was mentioned on CNN today! Check out what this girl can do:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/us/2012/01/25/dnt-teen-girl-weightlifting-champ.kusa

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Danny said...

The only real nugget I have taken away from this article and posted feedback is a brand new analogy that I will forever remember and cherish, "make paragraphs flow like coconut oil on a summer day." Assuming it is a hot summer day, I agree with you completely Tim, only Jason can make that flowingess of the paragraph flow possible

Stephanie Vincent said...

I agree with donks. Right on the money. And that quote made me LOL. Not for athletes, injured or over 35- geesh who is left?

Points I'd like to make.

-anyone can crossfit.

case in point, me 320lbs & ZERO athletic background.

- Crossfit doesn't injure you.

What injures you is your EGO and not listening to your own body/common sence.

-hell yes you can cf with an injury if you want.

I did all upper body WODS for about 4m after a meniscus repair and put a 20lbs on my bench and shoulder press.

-CF is not your average fitness program its more like a sport, its fun its recreational.

yes you may get injured. you also might get injured hiking, playing pick up basketball, rec league soccer, etc. But isn't it worth the risk being heathly and fit and having fun doing it. I'll take that risk over the TREADMILL any darn day.

Last thought...

That video of the kid with CP doing CF made me think how important it is to always keep in perpective WHY it is you crossfit. it might be to train for a specific sport, to compete in CF, but for most of us its to be a healthy and happy. Always stay connected to that reason, and train accordingly. That will cut down much of any possible negative side effects of crossfitting.

Mike P said...

@ Drew - not sure I'm "exhibit-worthy", just doing my best to keep on keepin' on.

@ Oleg - thanks, Bro. It's gonna be a major suck, in a beautiful way. You've got to find some time to make a run at one of these events soon.

@ Steph - your story is one that inspires me to keep going when I feel like packing it in.

Jason Lyons said...

Not even worthy of my time. If you do not like it, get old and die willingly...death is afraid of CF.

And to Tim...

Miko can PR a 5k and dead on the same day...also I HIGHLY disagree that you lost strength. I watched you snatch body weight over ten times. 2010 Tim could not do that. Just sayin.

Drew said...

"death is afraid of CF."

Can we get bumper stickers made?

Oleg said...

@Mike - I would love to do something like that, but I don't think I'm in shape enough to survive - so you will need to put me out of misery at some point.

Byrnsey said...

I guess I retired from crossfit 10 years ago...wait I just started a year ago at 44. WTF I even bought a crossfit hat. Damn.

Mark C said...

I enjoyed readng the article and got a chuckly out of much of the feedback. Speaking as a CF rookie, I'd have to agree that the most likely cause of injury is some combination of ego and not focusing on form, which in my experience is very strongly focused on by all the CF coaches with whom I've worked.

And as far as >35 goes, I'm 45(yikes!) with an arthritic knee and feeling stronger and fitter all the time since I started CF. Maybe I won't ever be the Rx King, but you gotta move it or lose it. (Same goes for your brain!)

Joe A said...

We can't just dismiss this as some jerk criticizing crossfit. Keep in mind this is a triathlete publication so pure crossfit is not appropriate for their goals. Imagine having to run the day after doing high rep squat clans.

And lets not forget there is a population of crossfitters that have a be extreme at all times mentality. Overuse injuries, fractures, slap tears are very real. And yes injuries are a part of life but in crossfit we want broad funtionality. Its hard to be functional when you can't walk up the stairs because your quads are so sore. Or even roll out of bed because your abs are shot. And we place such great pressure on ourselves to have drastic progress. Not too long ago there was a video that I personally found troubling of a woman doing repping muscle ups after dislocating her shoulder. No doubt she had heart but its not a good long term plan for a functional life.

Not matter what program your doing you should always look at respective criticism and see the why behind it rather than just dismissing someone because they aren't one of us.

There needs to be more discussions like this on the blog.

Jason Lyons said...

Joe, I am with a lot of what you say but there is a professional way of saying what the man said. It is improper and hard to take seriously when you make broad generalizations that do not reflect a gigantic portion of the population. It is me like saying people that run marathons must have a death wish because two people died this year in Philadelphia. It is simply not true.

Sarah J. said...

So after reading that article, the main thing I took away was that if you go to a crappy box, then yes, you might not see great results, or become injured. Fortunately we don't have to worry about that at KOP. Our coaches our well trained, and every movement we do is explained and demonstrated at every class, and we are reminded of the correct form throughout the workout. I have seen other boxes where that's not the case, and maybe those are the boxes that the author is targeting? Just a thought...

He made sure to write:
"I did say "very few coaches" just in case you missed that part. There are some knowledgeable CF coaches that actually care about tissue quality, flexibility, technical proficiency, proper progression with their workouts and functional movement in the gym."

Sounds like KOP would get his approval...

Megs said...

We havent had blog discussions like this in awhile!! Its good!!

Jason Lyons said...

So, I am sucker and read the article.

1) dot com programming is probably performed by people without scaling in less than 10 percent of the population. Over ninety percent of our gym scales workouts.

2) there are without question boxes that fall in love with the idea that the harder workout is better. This is fact with many young boxes because they feel the client shows up for an hour and they do not want to be disappointed. I have been to these boxes and it is my hope they are a minority. If not, what he says has merit but do not say a small fraction when you have no data. I know for a fact more people have died running marathons than doing CrossFit..

It scares me that people profess to be all knowing when he probably spoke to less than 20 people. This is insignificant when over 30k people have been through a level one.

3) he shows his lack of knowledge because after a level one, you are NOT certified, you have a certificate. There is a gigantic difference.

Jeff said...

Great discussion everyone! I have to weigh in, as a 51-year-old athlete who has done CrossFit for 3 and a half years, I think there are some grains of truth in the article, but still many misconceptions and a lack of thorough research. Is a CrossFit program right for athletes training in specific sports? Not by itself, and nobody ever claimed it is. Should the programming reflect certain principles, and should all coaches know how to program and coach their athletes? Absolutely? And do all boxes do this effectively? Absolutely not, which is no different than any other sport or fitness training program. The points others have made here are all good and do not need to be repeated, but from my perspective, the injuries I have had have reflected existing problems before I started CrossFit, and as they come up I deal with them, like any other athlete. If 35 is supposed to be old, and by extension unable to work at a high level of intensity, then it's no wonder so many people think they're doomed to be out of shape. Ridiculous. Hopefully as more people are exposed to good programming and coaching, these types of articles will become fewer and fewer. I'll hobble off my soapbox now and onto my foam roller.

Tim P said...

6:30 class

Mark C 13:35 95/row
Stasie 13:04 su 53
Kate K 14:58 75
Sam B 7:44 rx
Charles 13:38 83
JNa 17:02 65,DUAttempts
nick 18:38 95
Shoeless 18:55 115
Borden 18:18 115 attempts
Conn 17:30 115, 6 rounds oopsie
Cline 21:51 45, rack
John C 12:47 rx
Jenn Sch 13:33 35

Chris P. said...

4:30
P 9:08 Rx
Lam 16:47 105#
Rob Ph 11:04 su/135#/ROM
Jen S. 13:15 Rx
Kathleen 18:28 65#/ROM
King 13:58 105#/att
Jeff Hi 13:53 115#
Becca 20:28 55#
Rachael 18:00 55#
Jackie 8:50 row/45#/kb swings
Matt G. 20:30 su/95#/75% toes
Mike C 10:33 Rx

6:30
Megs 14:39 90#
TP 10:19 Rx
LP 11:38 Rx
Ben 21:50 95#
Joe P 19:11 dua/95#
Tim H 16:55 95#
Sandy 15:58 su/55#
Flounder 20:40 dua/95#/rom
Ernie 13:59 115#
Tissues 17:52 Rx
Kate C. 17:57 Rx "double unders suck"
Jamie 21:00 dua/45#/rom
Akeem 18:34 95#
Patrick 13:10 su/115#
Travis 14:34 115#/scale
Justin K. 15:06 115#
Denise 18:41 75#/rom
Shawn 12:54 115#

Nice work tonight. Those dubs gassed ya and then shoulders were hit for those PJ's. A few notes: Welcome to Jamie to his first class at 6:30; Tissues actually used chalk tonight; Jeff Hi. dropped in for a class, he is up from FL for work; and Becca was VIOLENT kipping on the rings. All good stuff!

Chris P. said...

Sam B...you would

John C said...

Crossfit and MMA are so similar to me its no wonder Im drawn to it. As a fighter thoughts race through your mind right before you step into the cage. You know for a fact, an absolute fact that there will be pain, blood, sacrifice, doubt, fear. Crossfit is no different. I know everytime I step foot into the box that the only easy day was yesterday. I dont expect anything different. I know I am coming to push myself and get my ass kicked. This is what drives me to keep coming back, the challenge. To keep pushing the limits. Not everyone is cut out for pro fighting, just as not everyone is cut out for crossfit.

Isn't that what makes us less like "a group of people who happen to work out the same way at the same place". It really does bond us into an elite few who will push through pain, doubt, and fear. Just like fighters.......

let the haters hate. we dont have them at our gym.

Chris P. said...

4:30 - 5/11 signed up ahead
5:30 - 15/18 signed up ahead (I think traffic was a huge factor b/c a lot of people signed up for the 4:30 but then ended up being in the 5:30 class...true?)

Unknown said...

Interesting article and comments! I agree with what Sarah said. Our coaches are well trained in a variety of disciplines and know each of our weaknesses, therefore they can coach us in a safe and effective manner.

As someone who is pretty focused on one sport (ice hockey), I do agree with his point about athlete specific training. I used to train at a sports specific training center for hockey. They had a treadmill that I could literally ice skate on and we did hockey specific weight programs. After they closed, I started to do crossfit. No doubt my overall strength has increased doing crossfit, but I have found that some of the other areas of my sport have suffered as a result - not a lot but definitely a little bit. The areas where I don't feel quite as sharp mainly involve agility and anaerobic conditioning. Regarding the agility piece, while a lot of the movements we do require agility, there are not a lot of agility/balance specific drills (i.e. ladders, change of direction, etc.). I think I'm feeling the anaerobic piece a little more just because nothing can replace being on your skates.

All that said, Crossfit doesn't claim to be for a specific sport so I think that argument is a bit of a moot point. Just as TP has focused more on his tri training, I've started to add things to my routine that are more hockey specific. As unpleasant as they are, I'm doing more "herbies" (think Miracle) to my weekly power skating sessions and am doing balance and agility work on my own.

Every person has their own individual fitness goals, and there are many different ways to achieve them. I was discussing this with a co-worker (who does crossfit) recently. I had gone to a yoga class at my globo gym and before there was a zumba class going on. I was telling her how ridiculous these people looked and her response was "at least they are doing something to positive for their health." I think sometimes that gets lost in these arguments over what is the "best" training method.

PS Double unders suck! I think TP and LP were on their 3rd round tonight when I was finishing my DU's. Thank God I don't ever have to do a double under test for hockey!

Stasie said...

Very interesting article, like others have pointed out the over 35 comment is laughable.

I'm 49 and yes it is & has been hard for me but not all entirely age related, the mental component has been huge, besides scaling is a respectable and realistic option.

I guess he would suggest I'd be better suited at Curves?

On a different note, who or what is Tissues?

Cate said...

ok for the third time...here are the noon results:

Keith 11:25 rx
Kevin 13:41 rx
Meg B 13:25 (65)
Sarah W 19:17 (150su, 35, rom)
Mike W 20:17 (DUA, 95, rom)
Schell 17:16 (300 su, 95)
Sharon 16:48 (ghd)
Barb 14:33 (50 du, 40, rom)
Andrea 16:23 (dua, 45 rom)
Susan 12:58 (75)
Tim M 12:38 (dua)
Cate 9:53 rx

Kate K. said...

I found this article very interesting. I am very new to Crossfit and have been doing triathlons for several years.

The first thing about the article that struck me as odd is the author's comments about how anyone can go get a Level 1 cert and take on clients. THE EXACT same thing is true in triathlon. USAT offers Level 1 coaching certs on a weekend for ANYONE. My husband and I always joke that EVERYONE in triathlon is a Level 1 USAT coach....although they shouldn't be.

Maybe we are just lucky at KOP but i've never done a wod without a coach helping me with my form...yes, its bc I still need lots of help, but our coaches know what they are talking about.

The other thing that made me LOL is the kipping pullup statement. I used to swim a little bit and find the kipping motion very similar to swimming butterfly. If he tore his shoulder out from that, he obviously wasn't as serious about triathlon as he seems, bc he needs to get his ass in the pool more.

I think CF is the perfect complement to swim.bike.run. I've experienced so many injuries from stability and inbalances over the years, that CF is just what I need to be a better athlete in general...including triathlon.

I agree with TP, that once tri training increases, ones goals in CF may change/adapt. Its all about your goals and the time you have to commit to them.

Just fyi. Triathletes are crazy.
Here is a perfect example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTEgLKhjIw&feature=youtu.be

Jason Lyons said...

So I am sucker and sent him an email. It was a nice email in the form of a rebuttal. Who knows if he will read it. I basically said that for some boxes out there, what he is saying is totally true but there are many that the assumptions are not true for.